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[00:00.000 --> 00:22.000]  After 10 hours of negotiations this morning, it was finally done with a crisis package for the EU countries that are in crisis.
[00:22.000 --> 00:31.000]  And it was a tired French president who at 4 o'clock this morning came out and said that he had come to an agreement that Greece's debt should be deducted by half.
[00:31.000 --> 00:38.000]  This will be done by a voluntary agreement with the private creditors.
[00:38.000 --> 00:53.000]  In which we discussed the parameters with their representatives. As France has asked since the beginning, we have excluded the prospect of a default on Greece.
[00:53.000 --> 01:02.000]  But the private creditors have given up half of the debt they hold.
[01:02.000 --> 01:11.000]  Good morning Rolf Fredriksson. You looked tired Sarkozy, but it turned out to be an agreement in the end. What did you come to?
[01:11.000 --> 01:26.000]  Even though it looked like it wouldn't be so much last night, this is what has been speculated about since Sunday.
[01:26.000 --> 01:41.000]  They say that they have achieved a lot. The numbers are so big that 1000 billion euros in Swedish is 1 billion.
[01:41.000 --> 01:47.000]  But they have come up with something that they have put some numbers on.
[01:47.000 --> 01:59.000]  The French president said that they have negotiated with the private creditors and they have agreed on half of the debt.
[01:59.000 --> 02:05.000]  Now every single bank and every financial institution should consider this.
[02:05.000 --> 02:15.000]  There will be a period of a month where it will become a reality that everyone will write down the Greek loans.
[02:15.000 --> 02:18.000]  But can you say no?
[02:18.000 --> 02:27.000]  It is up to every financial institution and every bank to say no. But in the background, the alternative is that Greece goes bankrupt.
[02:27.000 --> 02:35.000]  But if you write down half of the debt and it amounts to 100 billion euros, where will the money come from?
[02:35.000 --> 02:45.000]  The banks will have to take it from their reserves. When they borrow, it is not certain that they will get it back.
[02:45.000 --> 02:53.000]  But even before the financial crisis, our banks have loaned out too much.
[02:53.000 --> 02:56.000]  They don't have enough reserves in their cash reserves.
[02:56.000 --> 03:04.000]  So this means that by next year, the banks will increase their reserves to cover these losses.
[03:04.000 --> 03:07.000]  But the question is, where will the money come from?
[03:07.000 --> 03:12.000]  The politicians say that the owners of the banks will have to deal with new emissions and so on.
[03:12.000 --> 03:17.000]  But the question is if all the banks around Europe will be able to do this by next year.
[03:17.000 --> 03:21.000]  To fill up their cash reserves to cover the losses in Greece and other places.
[03:21.000 --> 03:25.000]  There are a lot of question marks before this is filled up.
[03:25.000 --> 03:31.000]  But if we look at the three countries that are in crisis, the countries that will pay, and Sweden that is completely outside.
[03:31.000 --> 03:35.000]  Let's start with Greece. Does Greece get their feet on this?
[03:35.000 --> 03:40.000]  The Prime Minister of Greece was very pleased last night. He said that this is really a new start.
[03:40.000 --> 03:44.000]  They will get their loans down from the enormous Greek level.
[03:44.000 --> 03:47.000]  They will get their loans down to the level of the Italian state debt.
[03:47.000 --> 03:52.000]  If all the banks and institutions agree to halve the debt.
[03:52.000 --> 03:56.000]  But all the savings are there.
[03:56.000 --> 04:01.000]  There will be cutbacks in the salaries of the government employees and pensions.
[04:01.000 --> 04:05.000]  It is during the years ahead that these savings measures will change.
[04:05.000 --> 04:10.000]  And then the economy will hopefully be better for the Greek state.
[04:10.000 --> 04:13.000]  So that the tax revenues match their expenses.
[04:13.000 --> 04:15.000]  But the question is, what will happen to the Greek economy?
[04:15.000 --> 04:19.000]  Where will the growth be? What will the speed be in the Greek economy?
[04:19.000 --> 04:21.000]  But when you say that they will come down to the level of Italy.
[04:21.000 --> 04:25.000]  Italy is not on a very stable foot either.
[04:25.000 --> 04:29.000]  Can't Italy lean back and say that they will not increase their pensions?
[04:29.000 --> 04:32.000]  Because this will raise the EU countries.
[04:32.000 --> 04:35.000]  Some critics say that this can be followed.
[04:35.000 --> 04:37.000]  Can one country halve their debts?
[04:37.000 --> 04:40.000]  Then more people can come after and say that it is not so accurate.
[04:40.000 --> 04:44.000]  Now they have built in stricter control of budget discipline.
[04:44.000 --> 04:48.000]  They have, as they showed, by naming Italy by name.
[04:48.000 --> 04:52.000]  And directly criticising Skåne. This is something they have not done before.
[04:52.000 --> 04:58.000]  And you also have greater possibilities from the EU Commission and other European institutions.
[04:58.000 --> 05:01.000]  To halve the debts of countries that break the budget discipline.
[05:01.000 --> 05:04.000]  But the financial markets will also have to look ahead.
[05:04.000 --> 05:07.000]  Will you live up to what you are saying now?
[05:07.000 --> 05:10.000]  When Sarkozy spoke, he did not mention Italy.
[05:10.000 --> 05:13.000]  But the German Merkel took up Italy.
[05:13.000 --> 05:17.000]  Does this show any kind of tensions internally in the EU summit?
[05:17.000 --> 05:21.000]  No, I think on Sunday it was most clear with the criticism of Italy and Berlusconi.
[05:21.000 --> 05:28.000]  And then Sarkozy would probably have been out and harassed Silvio Berlusconi as well.
[05:28.000 --> 05:32.000]  They realise that Italy is a much larger country than Greece.
[05:32.000 --> 05:35.000]  So Italy is a key.
[05:35.000 --> 05:38.000]  And this is not just a matter of the night.
[05:38.000 --> 05:43.000]  Reforms and changes have to be made to ensure that the state budgets are in order.
[05:43.000 --> 05:48.000]  But also that our competitiveness against countries like China and India is increasing.
[05:48.000 --> 05:52.000]  We Europeans can no longer retreat.
[05:52.000 --> 05:57.000]  There are a lot of people who want to compete with us on technically advanced production.
[05:57.000 --> 05:59.000]  And that is really a fundamental problem.
[05:59.000 --> 06:02.000]  Merkel has had some problems at home as well.
[06:02.000 --> 06:05.000]  To get them on this train.
[06:05.000 --> 06:10.000]  What will this mean for the German people who will pay a large part of this?
[06:10.000 --> 06:15.000]  Now they have said that they will pay what they promised earlier.
[06:15.000 --> 06:20.000]  And now they are making a complicated construction to build up this rescue fund.
[06:20.000 --> 06:24.000]  Where they say that they will use this money a little more speculatively.
[06:24.000 --> 06:26.000]  They will invest the money that already exists.
[06:26.000 --> 06:30.000]  Which the Germans have promised in this rescue fund for weak countries.
[06:30.000 --> 06:32.000]  But then they are going out now to negotiate.
[06:32.000 --> 06:36.000]  To get up to this sum of one billion euros.
[06:36.000 --> 06:41.000]  Then they are going out to negotiate with the Chinese, the Norwegians, the rich oil countries.
[06:41.000 --> 06:43.000]  Come now and invest in Europe.
[06:43.000 --> 06:46.000]  Our state obligations, our state debt exchanges.
[06:46.000 --> 06:49.000]  So that if they are going to come up with these giant sums.
[06:49.000 --> 06:57.000]  It is based on the fact that the Chinese, the Arabs, the Norwegians want to buy state debt papers in Europe.
[06:57.000 --> 06:59.000]  But what interest do they have in saving Europe?
[06:59.000 --> 07:01.000]  Yes, now it is so. We hang together.
[07:01.000 --> 07:04.000]  We are a large export market for the Chinese.
[07:04.000 --> 07:08.000]  We are going to buy toys for Christmas that are manufactured in China.
[07:08.000 --> 07:10.000]  Our computers, our phones.
[07:10.000 --> 07:13.000]  If we start to become pessimists here and not trade.
[07:13.000 --> 07:15.000]  Then it is a problem for the Chinese.
[07:15.000 --> 07:17.000]  So it has begun to be so.
[07:17.000 --> 07:19.000]  It is a very mutual dependence here.
[07:19.000 --> 07:21.000]  And the Chinese also realize this.
[07:33.000 --> 07:36.000]  Yes, it was finally a few hours ago.
[07:36.000 --> 07:39.000]  An event in Brussels about the debt crisis.
[07:39.000 --> 07:41.000]  The debt was written down by half.
[07:41.000 --> 07:45.000]  And the banks have to increase their capital in order not to go broke.
[07:45.000 --> 07:47.000]  It is about incredibly large money.
[07:47.000 --> 07:49.000]  And where did they come from?
[07:49.000 --> 07:51.000]  We are going to talk about that now.
[07:51.000 --> 07:53.000]  Yes, with Carl B. Hamilton, head of parliament for the People's Party.
[07:53.000 --> 07:55.000]  And Jonas Sjöstedt for the Left Party.
[07:55.000 --> 07:56.000]  Welcome.
[07:56.000 --> 07:57.000]  Thank you.
[07:57.000 --> 07:59.000]  After this event early in the morning.
[07:59.000 --> 08:00.000]  Is the crisis over?
[08:00.000 --> 08:03.000]  It is a day of joy for the Europeans.
[08:03.000 --> 08:05.000]  And for the borrowers in Europe.
[08:05.000 --> 08:07.000]  And those who invest in the banks in Europe.
[08:07.000 --> 08:11.000]  Because now we have the beginning and the end of this crisis.
[08:11.000 --> 08:13.000]  So it will get better and better.
[08:13.000 --> 08:16.000]  I think it is another form of beginning and end that we see here.
[08:16.000 --> 08:18.000]  The crisis has been pushed up for a while.
[08:18.000 --> 08:20.000]  And some of the measures have been very reasonable.
[08:20.000 --> 08:23.000]  But the underlying problems have not been solved.
[08:23.000 --> 08:25.000]  The financial sector has not been regulated.
[08:25.000 --> 08:28.000]  It is not possible for countries to leave the euro, which is absolutely necessary.
[08:28.000 --> 08:30.000]  But now there has been an acute trade.
[08:30.000 --> 08:34.000]  Greece and Italy, where the situation is tense.
[08:34.000 --> 08:36.000]  They actually fought in the parliament yesterday.
[08:36.000 --> 08:38.000]  Does this get Greece on its feet, Jonas?
[08:38.000 --> 08:43.000]  No, Greece will still have a state debt of 120% of GDP.
[08:43.000 --> 08:45.000]  And Greece is in recession.
[08:45.000 --> 08:46.000]  The economy is shrinking.
[08:46.000 --> 08:50.000]  It is probably a matter of time before the Greeks come back and need more help.
[08:50.000 --> 08:52.000]  It is not a withdrawal of half of the debt.
[08:52.000 --> 08:54.000]  But half of the private debt.
[08:54.000 --> 08:57.000]  And you would have had to take an even bigger step.
[08:57.000 --> 09:00.000]  The basic problem in Greece is that you do not have any competitiveness.
[09:00.000 --> 09:04.000]  Because you are stuck in the euro with the wrong exchange rate and the wrong interest.
[09:04.000 --> 09:05.000]  And you have not done that.
[09:05.000 --> 09:06.000]  It does not seem like a happy day at all.
[09:06.000 --> 09:09.000]  No, it seems a bit philosophical.
[09:09.000 --> 09:15.000]  But the truth is that the European countries have now managed to come together.
[09:15.000 --> 09:26.000]  And it has also come to a solution that is very well in line with what Sweden, Germany, the Netherlands and Finland think about these issues.
[09:26.000 --> 09:30.000]  That it is the nations that will manage this first.
[09:30.000 --> 09:35.000]  It should not fall on the shareholders or the taxpayers or the consumers.
[09:35.000 --> 09:37.000]  So I think this is good.
[09:37.000 --> 09:41.000]  Then it is true, as Jonas says, that the Greeks will have many years of problems in front of them.
[09:41.000 --> 09:44.000]  But it is inevitable.
[09:44.000 --> 09:47.000]  Other countries cannot take over their problems.
[09:47.000 --> 09:51.000]  But above all, it will be calm and quiet if this works.
[09:51.000 --> 09:53.000]  Then you have to do a little more.
[09:53.000 --> 09:55.000]  You do not look convinced, Jonas.
[09:55.000 --> 10:00.000]  What is happening in Europe is something extremely serious. It is a social catastrophe.
[10:00.000 --> 10:04.000]  That people become unemployed, poor and forced to emigrate.
[10:04.000 --> 10:06.000]  And this will continue.
[10:06.000 --> 10:10.000]  Because what the EU primarily demands is strict cuts and privatizations.
[10:10.000 --> 10:11.000]  Wait, Carl-Berger.
[10:11.000 --> 10:17.000]  In addition, it is planned to establish a kind of bank acute at the EU level.
[10:17.000 --> 10:19.000]  Where even Swedish tax money should go in.
[10:19.000 --> 10:23.000]  To be able to help the French and Italian banks that have been involved and caused the crisis.
[10:23.000 --> 10:26.000]  I think this is the opposite of what Carl-Berger said.
[10:26.000 --> 10:32.000]  Now the metal worker in Fagersta and the nurse in Hallsberg will save the bank directors in France and Italy.
[10:32.000 --> 10:35.000]  Let's take a look at where the note is now.
[10:35.000 --> 10:38.000]  Because it is incredibly big money.
[10:38.000 --> 10:41.000]  It is one billion euros.
[10:41.000 --> 10:43.000]  Let me just say this to Jonas.
[10:43.000 --> 10:47.000]  Jonas's recipe is that we should absolutely not help here.
[10:47.000 --> 10:50.000]  Then it would have been even worse for these people.
[10:50.000 --> 10:55.000]  Then it is not that it is the Wallenbergs of Europe who walk around with a cylinder hat that should be helped.
[10:55.000 --> 11:00.000]  Those who help out of this are the taxpayers who otherwise would have lost their jobs.
[11:00.000 --> 11:03.000]  It is the investors who otherwise would have lost their money.
[11:03.000 --> 11:05.000]  It is ordinary people.
[11:05.000 --> 11:08.000]  Before we get to which ones are good, can you just stop there.
[11:08.000 --> 11:10.000]  Who are the ones who praise?
[11:10.000 --> 11:14.000]  You mean the workshop worker in Hallsberg. What do you say?
[11:14.000 --> 11:21.000]  The banks, if we take them, must now put more money at the bottom of their cash box.
[11:21.000 --> 11:25.000]  To be able to continue with the payment they have.
[11:25.000 --> 11:30.000]  Swedish banks have known this for a long time.
[11:30.000 --> 11:34.000]  They have had quite large profits that they can now use for this.
[11:34.000 --> 11:38.000]  With crisis funds and other support packages, who should pay for that?
[11:38.000 --> 11:42.000]  They should be as big as they should need to be used.
[11:42.000 --> 11:45.000]  They should be as big as they should be used.
[11:45.000 --> 11:48.000]  In what way, Jonas, will the Swedes be praised?
[11:48.000 --> 11:50.000]  There are two things that are happening.
[11:50.000 --> 11:53.000]  Apart from the Greek debt repayment that should be carried out by the private sector.
[11:53.000 --> 11:55.000]  That is good and right.
[11:55.000 --> 11:58.000]  But then you have to put in a lot of money in this EFSF.
[11:58.000 --> 12:01.000]  It is the tax payer of the euro countries.
[12:01.000 --> 12:03.000]  It is a large support fund that the euro countries have.
[12:03.000 --> 12:08.000]  But behind that, they also have plans to establish a bank for the entire EU.
[12:08.000 --> 12:12.000]  There, the Swedish tax payers money is at stake.
[12:12.000 --> 12:16.000]  If you take the French banks, they have made huge profits.
[12:16.000 --> 12:18.000]  They have distributed the profits to their owners.
[12:18.000 --> 12:20.000]  But why is Swedish tax money at stake?
[12:20.000 --> 12:23.000]  To guarantee a bank account.
[12:23.000 --> 12:26.000]  Then all member states should go in with financial guarantees.
[12:26.000 --> 12:27.000]  Even Sweden?
[12:27.000 --> 12:28.000]  Even Sweden.
[12:28.000 --> 12:30.000]  This is not finished yet, but it is one of the things that is in the cards.
[12:30.000 --> 12:32.000]  And that the Swedish government is for.
[12:32.000 --> 12:36.000]  I mean that we voted no to the EU Monetary Union.
[12:36.000 --> 12:41.000]  We voted no to go in and have this centrally controlled economic policy.
[12:41.000 --> 12:44.000]  And take the enormous risks that the Monetary Union entails.
[12:44.000 --> 12:50.000]  And the government and the people's party are trying to get us into the EU policy step by step.
[12:50.000 --> 12:52.000]  And you have no mandate to do that.
[12:52.000 --> 12:54.000]  We have actually voted no to that.
[12:54.000 --> 12:57.000]  It really seems that you think this decision is successful.
[12:57.000 --> 12:59.000]  You are very angry about it, Jonas.
[12:59.000 --> 13:04.000]  But it is so that Sweden is not allowed to be part of this European bank account.
[13:04.000 --> 13:07.000]  Because it has not been created in the way we wanted.
[13:07.000 --> 13:10.000]  Shouldn't we be happy about that now?
[13:10.000 --> 13:11.000]  Yes, the cats know that.
[13:11.000 --> 13:14.000]  It would have been better if Europe had created such a bank account.
[13:14.000 --> 13:18.000]  Where they had made sure that the first thing was the owners.
[13:18.000 --> 13:20.000]  The shareholders who took the blow.
[13:20.000 --> 13:25.000]  First, if they did not succeed, they would then go to the national state coffers.
[13:25.000 --> 13:30.000]  But since we do not have that problem with the banks, there will be no expenditure for Sweden.
[13:30.000 --> 13:32.000]  In the Swedish tax payments.
[13:32.000 --> 13:39.000]  But will it be more expensive for Swedish bank customers?
[13:39.000 --> 13:41.000]  Not as it looks now.
[13:41.000 --> 13:45.000]  The advantage of this is that there will be increased stability.
[13:45.000 --> 13:50.000]  This decision is made so that we will not have a bank crisis in Europe.
[13:50.000 --> 13:54.000]  It is made so that people can keep their jobs.
[13:54.000 --> 14:00.000]  You have completely different views when it comes to membership in the EU.
[14:00.000 --> 14:05.000]  But had Greece not received this help if they had their own currency?
[14:05.000 --> 14:08.000]  Yes, they would have received it.
[14:08.000 --> 14:13.000]  But because they are EU members, they try to behave like a family.
[14:13.000 --> 14:17.000]  I agree with Jonas about the basic problems that exist in Greece.
[14:17.000 --> 14:22.000]  If you neglect your economy, things go wrong.
[14:22.000 --> 14:25.000]  It does not matter what currency system you have.
[14:25.000 --> 14:28.000]  The problem is not the euro, but the debts.
[14:28.000 --> 14:33.000]  That is why it is very important to have rules against this.
[14:33.000 --> 14:35.000]  This is wrong.
[14:35.000 --> 14:37.000]  Greece has many problems.
[14:37.000 --> 14:40.000]  Bad tax system, too few income and no budget balance.
[14:40.000 --> 14:43.000]  But the euro has made the crisis much worse.
[14:43.000 --> 14:46.000]  First you got a transfer for low interest rates.
[14:46.000 --> 14:49.000]  Now you have high interest rates and a wrong exchange rate.
[14:49.000 --> 14:54.000]  In many other countries, there is a huge risk of the banking system that has led to the crisis.
[14:54.000 --> 14:58.000]  Hamilton's problem is that two of his lovers have done this.
[14:58.000 --> 15:03.000]  The euro that does not work and a regulated financial market that does not work either.
[15:03.000 --> 15:10.000]  If you are ideologically blinded and do not see that this has created problems, you can not solve them either.
[15:10.000 --> 15:12.000]  That is where the EU is today.
[15:12.000 --> 15:14.000]  You see it only as a debt crisis.
[15:14.000 --> 15:24.000]  But this crisis is caused by the fact that the euro does not work, forces countries to do wrong economic policy and that we have a banking sector that has run amok.
[15:32.000 --> 15:42.000]  When the first snow starts to come, the question of the train passengers' nightmare winter will be raised.
[15:42.000 --> 15:46.000]  200 million is invested in improvements at SJM.
[15:46.000 --> 15:48.000]  How far are they enough?
[15:48.000 --> 15:51.000]  Jan Forsberg is the outgoing CEO of SJM.
[15:51.000 --> 15:54.000]  You will stay there for a few more months.
[15:54.000 --> 15:56.000]  Yes, until the last half-year shift.
[15:56.000 --> 15:59.000]  How much can it affect in that situation?
[15:59.000 --> 16:01.000]  About as much as normal.
[16:01.000 --> 16:06.000]  However, I will not take part in the most long-term issues.
[16:06.000 --> 16:09.000]  But managing and managing the business is not a problem.
[16:09.000 --> 16:11.000]  It will work as usual.
[16:11.000 --> 16:19.000]  How motivated are you to manage and manage the business and make big improvements if you see that it is almost over?
[16:19.000 --> 16:22.000]  I am as motivated as if I had five years left.
[16:22.000 --> 16:24.000]  For me, it is not a difference.
[16:24.000 --> 16:27.000]  It is about doing your job until the day you quit.
[16:27.000 --> 16:30.000]  I have always tried to live up to that principle.
[16:30.000 --> 16:32.000]  I think I have done it pretty well.
[16:32.000 --> 16:39.000]  200 million is to be improved and possibly against the chaos that was last year.
[16:39.000 --> 16:44.000]  Will that money be enough to make the train run on time?
[16:44.000 --> 16:46.000]  Will it be delayed as before?
[16:46.000 --> 16:48.000]  Or will it be unchanged?
[16:48.000 --> 16:52.000]  We had a meeting with the Ministry of Transport the other day.
[16:52.000 --> 17:01.000]  First of all, you have to have reasonable expectations of how the traffic on the railway, on the road and in the air works when it becomes extreme weather.
[17:01.000 --> 17:07.000]  The train is not an exceptional exception that goes in and out regardless of what happens.
[17:07.000 --> 17:09.000]  But one thing is for sure.
[17:09.000 --> 17:21.000]  What we have done will lead to our ability to take care of the passengers, to make the train run despite the great difficulties in the traffic, is much better.
[17:21.000 --> 17:27.000]  But then, in order for the journey to be over, you need to have a functioning train and a functioning railway.
[17:27.000 --> 17:31.000]  One is the transport company that delivers and the other is us that delivers.
[17:31.000 --> 17:36.000]  We together are trying to do our utmost to make this as good as possible.
[17:36.000 --> 17:40.000]  You explained the loss here the other day with the winter.
[17:40.000 --> 17:45.000]  But is it not a fundamental error somewhere in a country that always has winters?
[17:45.000 --> 17:51.000]  That the activity does not become as chaotic as it was last year when the winter became a little extra strict?
[17:51.000 --> 17:55.000]  Yes, but the winter was not a little extra strict.
[17:55.000 --> 17:59.000]  It was the worst winter according to the Swedish Meteorological Agency that we have had in Sweden for 150 years.
[17:59.000 --> 18:02.000]  So it was frozen from north to south.
[18:02.000 --> 18:04.000]  There was snow all over Sweden.
[18:04.000 --> 18:08.000]  The trains in Skåne were in the ditch and could not get there.
[18:08.000 --> 18:12.000]  So it was not just any winter, it was an extreme winter.
[18:12.000 --> 18:13.000]  You have to remember that.
[18:13.000 --> 18:16.000]  How much do you think the Swedish Meteorological Agency should stand with?
[18:16.000 --> 18:18.000]  What delays should be tolerated?
[18:18.000 --> 18:27.000]  Under such conditions it is of course extremely difficult to operate the traffic, just as many roads had to be canceled.
[18:27.000 --> 18:30.000]  Shouldn't you take the train when it is winter in Sweden?
[18:30.000 --> 18:32.000]  Yes, in the greatest possible extent.
[18:32.000 --> 18:46.000]  But when you get this much snowfall and this much bad weather in combination, you should be out for a while and plan your trip so that there can be delays.
[18:46.000 --> 18:51.000]  But what does it say if it becomes an extra strict winter this year?
[18:51.000 --> 18:54.000]  That it will not be like this again, that it will not be repeated?
[18:54.000 --> 18:56.000]  How far will 200 million be enough?
[18:56.000 --> 19:10.000]  We can say that what was our big shortcoming last year and the year before that was that the train's technology could not handle the ice formation that was under the train.
[19:10.000 --> 19:12.000]  30 tons of ice stuck.
[19:12.000 --> 19:18.000]  We did not have enough workshop capacity to defrost the train and much more.
[19:18.000 --> 19:20.000]  Is it more than that this year?
[19:20.000 --> 19:29.000]  We have, for example, the defrost capacity. It took 8-9 hours last year to defrost a train. This year it will take just under 3 hours.
[19:29.000 --> 19:41.000]  The train has been technically protected. We have employed 40 people who do not have any other task at Oved than to take care of the residents, give information and make sure that they come where they should.
[19:41.000 --> 19:43.000]  As good as it can be done.
[19:43.000 --> 19:53.000]  You had a lot of delays with the train. You said that when you arrived 10 years ago that the train should arrive on time. That is my main goal.
[19:53.000 --> 19:55.000]  It even said that on your list.
[19:55.000 --> 19:59.000]  How does it feel when you walk through the forest?
[19:59.000 --> 20:08.000]  First of all, it is not fun. I think everyone can understand that. None of us who work with this thinks that this feels nice.
[20:08.000 --> 20:18.000]  Then you have to say that 10 years ago we had significantly less traffic on the tracks. Since I started, only our traffic has increased in the last 5 years.
[20:18.000 --> 20:24.000]  We have transported 10 million more passengers. We have increased by 10% per year in 5 years.
[20:24.000 --> 20:38.000]  The traffic around all the other train operators has also increased significantly. That is because the tracks are full. Then it will be very difficult to handle the traffic because the least disturbance will show up in a traffic problem.
[20:38.000 --> 20:46.000]  That makes the system hypersensitive. We have to get rid of that. We and the traffic department and others try to do that in a good way.
[20:46.000 --> 20:53.000]  Last winter there was a test for both SNR and SE. The travel guarantee became very expensive. What happened to that this year?
[20:53.000 --> 21:06.000]  Let's look at this. Basically, we will have the same travel guarantee as we have had. But let's look at conditions where we are not willing to handle those issues.
[21:06.000 --> 21:11.000]  And how we can handle our right of way in our turn against, for example, the traffic department or others.
[21:11.000 --> 21:14.000]  Are you saying that someone else should pay?
[21:14.000 --> 21:22.000]  No, what I'm saying is that of course no one can leave guarantees in all infinity for things that you do not touch.
[21:22.000 --> 21:25.000]  So there can be some delays when it comes to travel guarantees?
[21:25.000 --> 21:30.000]  There can be some changes and we will come back to which they are.
[21:30.000 --> 21:41.000]  Jan Forsberg, sorry, after 10 years you will now leave SJ. And leave was the word you used at the press conference. Some others say that you got kicked in. Did you get that?
[21:41.000 --> 21:58.000]  To find out these terms, I will retire in July 2013. We are working today with a change in our organization that will make us even more able to handle our business in a good way.
[21:58.000 --> 22:07.000]  It will mean quite big changes while we will be able to make it work. That part will be done in the second half of next year.
[22:07.000 --> 22:12.000]  At that point, there is one year left before I retire.
[22:12.000 --> 22:24.000]  Then the alternative is that I continue for six to nine months and work with new people. Or that my successor will come now and take over at this point.
[22:24.000 --> 22:26.000]  But do you quit voluntarily or not?
[22:26.000 --> 22:31.000]  Then we have come to an agreement that this is the best solution. So it is an agreement that we have made.
[22:31.000 --> 22:42.000]  If you get kicked, according to my definition, you have miscarried a job or something like that. I think that the management and the owners of SJ think that during my time I have, at least, miscarried a job.
[22:42.000 --> 22:46.000]  We have earned 3.8 billion to the owner, each of which we have distributed 900 million.
[22:46.000 --> 22:51.000]  Thank you, Jan Forsberg, for coming here and we hope that the train rolls this year.
[22:51.000 --> 23:01.000]  Thank you.
[23:14.000 --> 23:17.000]  This is Karin Westholm.
[23:17.000 --> 23:27.000]  Karin does not think she is so special, but we see her in a different way. Because Karin is incredibly important.
[23:27.000 --> 23:29.000]  What is the question about?
[23:29.000 --> 23:33.000]  Yes, Karin, what the question is about is freedom.
[23:33.000 --> 23:47.000]  That you and I get to see and hear things that otherwise would not have reached us. Smart as a board. The big and the small. The alternative that gives us perspective on existence.
[23:47.000 --> 23:52.000]  So for us, you are the drop of freedom.
[23:52.000 --> 24:03.000]  That is why we say, thank you, Karin, for paying for your radio and television expenses.
[24:22.000 --> 24:25.000]  Thank you, Karin.
[24:52.000 --> 24:55.000]  Thank you, Karin.