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[00:00.000 --> 00:08.000]  Tonight, live at five, shredding his pension, disgraced banker Sir Fred
[00:08.000 --> 00:14.000]  Goodwin finally agrees to hand back almost 350,000 pounds a year. It was
[00:14.000 --> 00:19.000]  right that he paid back this sum of money. This was the discretionary
[00:19.000 --> 00:24.000]  element that was agreed by the Royal Bank of Scotland before he left.
[00:24.000 --> 00:28.000]  Also tonight, Westminster black out anger as MPs expenses are published,
[00:28.000 --> 00:33.000]  but with crucial details covered up. Not bothered the bleakest forecast
[00:33.000 --> 00:39.000]  yet on how climate change will affect every aspect of our daily lives.
[00:39.000 --> 00:42.000]  Mousavi leads the morning in Iran as tens of thousands of his supporters
[00:42.000 --> 00:47.000]  continue to defy the president. Brotherly banter the royal princes on
[00:47.000 --> 00:53.000]  living and flying with each other. It is still hard work, but I'm better
[00:53.000 --> 00:57.000]  than William, so it's fine. I cook him and feed him basically every
[00:57.000 --> 01:01.000]  day. I think he has done rather well. The first and last time we have
[01:01.000 --> 01:05.000]  been living together. And so proud, hundreds line the streets as the
[01:05.000 --> 01:11.000]  Gurkhas are awarded the freedom of Folkestone.
[01:11.000 --> 01:19.000]  Live from the Sky News Centre, this is Live at Five with Colin Brazier.
[01:19.000 --> 01:23.000]  A very good evening to you. Our top story, Live at Five. Payback time
[01:23.000 --> 01:27.000]  for Fred the Shred. After months of public and political pressure, Sir
[01:27.000 --> 01:31.000]  Fred Goodwin is to hand back a huge part of his pension. As revealed on
[01:31.000 --> 01:36.000]  Sky News, the disgraced banker will now take home £340,000 a year, but
[01:36.000 --> 01:40.000]  keeps a multi-million pound lump sum. The Prime Minister welcomed his
[01:40.000 --> 01:43.000]  decision saying he had done the right thing. Our business correspondent
[01:43.000 --> 01:48.000]  Ursula Errington reports.
[01:48.000 --> 01:51.000]  He never gave an inch in the banking world. A tough negotiator, he
[01:51.000 --> 01:55.000]  earned the name Fred the Shred. But with negotiations now over, Sir
[01:55.000 --> 01:59.000]  Fred Goodwin has lost more than half of his RBS pension. The city is
[01:59.000 --> 02:03.000]  reeling at the news after months of wrangling between the bank, Sir
[02:03.000 --> 02:08.000]  Fred and the government. I think it was right that he paid back this
[02:08.000 --> 02:13.000]  sum of money. This was the discretionary element that was agreed
[02:13.000 --> 02:17.000]  by the Royal Bank of Scotland before he left. I think for the future, it
[02:17.000 --> 02:22.000]  is really important now that we have proper systems of bonus and reward
[02:22.000 --> 02:27.000]  that reflect not short-term deals, but reflect long-term success. In a
[02:27.000 --> 02:31.000]  statement, the bank stressed the former chief executive handed back the
[02:31.000 --> 02:34.000]  money voluntarily, adding this pension arrangement became a symbolic
[02:34.000 --> 02:39.000]  issue and the focus of unprecedented media and political attention. It
[02:39.000 --> 02:43.000]  had to be fixed to allow everyone to focus our energies where they should
[02:43.000 --> 02:47.000]  be on getting the company back to health. When this scandal first
[02:47.000 --> 02:52.000]  emerged in February, it was thought Sir Fred's pension was £693,000 a
[02:52.000 --> 02:59.000]  year, but that figure was soon revised upwards to £703,000. RBS says
[02:59.000 --> 03:04.000]  Sir Fred took a lump sum payment of £2.7 million in February, shrinking
[03:04.000 --> 03:10.000]  his annual pension to £550,000. Now it's been revealed Goodwin is to
[03:10.000 --> 03:16.000]  take a further reduced pension of £342,500, but it's still a big cost
[03:16.000 --> 03:22.000]  to the bank. The pension pot to fund that is around £11.9 million. He's
[03:22.000 --> 03:26.000]  not going to starve, is he? He's on a rather lucrative pension by anyone's
[03:26.000 --> 03:31.000]  standards, a footballer-style pension anyway, so I don't imagine he's
[03:31.000 --> 03:35.000]  going to miss the money, but it allows him at least to rehabilitate
[03:35.000 --> 03:40.000]  himself somewhat in this country, you know, to walk around and not be shunned.
[03:40.000 --> 03:44.000]  But pressure for a pension payback was growing even before Sir Fred had
[03:44.000 --> 03:48.000]  to answer to the Treasury Select Committee to take responsibility for
[03:48.000 --> 03:52.000]  his part in bringing a British bank to the brink. There's a profound and
[03:52.000 --> 03:57.000]  unqualified apology for all of the distress that has been caused, and I
[03:57.000 --> 04:00.000]  would not wish there to be any doubt about that. Days later, the Prime
[04:00.000 --> 04:04.000]  Minister said his lawyers were going after the banker's pension. I still
[04:04.000 --> 04:08.000]  think it would be better if Sir Fred waived the pension entitlement
[04:08.000 --> 04:11.000]  himself, but if that's not to be done, we will continue to seek the legal
[04:11.000 --> 04:15.000]  advice as necessary. An angry Sir Fred hit back in the Telegraph newspaper,
[04:15.000 --> 04:19.000]  saying City Minister Lord Miners was well aware of his pension
[04:19.000 --> 04:23.000]  arrangements and had okayed them. Public fury over the whole financial
[04:23.000 --> 04:28.000]  meltdown focused on Sir Fred. Castigated as a bad banker, his children
[04:28.000 --> 04:32.000]  bullied, he'd already gone to ground somewhere in Europe when his
[04:32.000 --> 04:37.000]  Edinburgh home was vandalised. An internal inquiry at RBS has found Sir
[04:37.000 --> 04:41.000]  Fred didn't behave illegally or immorally as chief executive of the
[04:41.000 --> 04:45.000]  bank. That vindication will be important if he's to return to public
[04:45.000 --> 04:51.000]  life. The question now is whether conceding £4.7 million can buy the
[04:51.000 --> 04:55.000]  public's forgiveness. Well, Ursula Jones is now live from RBS headquarters
[04:55.000 --> 05:00.000]  in central London. Ursula, he still won't be short of ready cash. He
[05:00.000 --> 05:03.000]  won't be short of any money, no, but it would seem that this is something
[05:03.000 --> 05:07.000]  of a win-win solution all round. RBS gets some of their money back, the
[05:07.000 --> 05:10.000]  government can now say that they said they were going to go after part of
[05:10.000 --> 05:14.000]  this pension pot and they have delivered on that, avoiding a very
[05:14.000 --> 05:18.000]  costly court case, no doubt. And Sir Fred himself may now have done enough
[05:18.000 --> 05:21.000]  to be able to re-enter public life and I think that's the crucial factor
[05:21.000 --> 05:25.000]  here. Whatever the extent to which you may blame Sir Fred Goodwin for the
[05:25.000 --> 05:29.000]  woes of RBS, he does have a young family who are said to have been
[05:29.000 --> 05:32.000]  traumatised by the extent of the public anger that's been vented towards
[05:32.000 --> 05:35.000]  them and it's said that that is perhaps one of the most important
[05:35.000 --> 05:38.000]  factors that brought him to the negotiating table to do this deal.
[05:38.000 --> 05:42.000]  He's made the deal. Why do you think, though, this gesture has come now
[05:42.000 --> 05:48.000]  at this time? Well, they were very clear today that Sir Fred Goodwin was
[05:48.000 --> 05:52.000]  only really willing to push forward these negotiations once RBS had
[05:52.000 --> 05:56.000]  concluded their own internal investigation into his conduct. They
[05:56.000 --> 05:59.000]  have finished that investigation. They said he did nothing illegal,
[05:59.000 --> 06:03.000]  nothing immoral and so then he was very willing to sort out some kind of
[06:03.000 --> 06:07.000]  settlement. But he wasn't going to do it before that, just in case he was
[06:07.000 --> 06:11.000]  ever accused of trying to buy his way out of being investigated. So it
[06:11.000 --> 06:15.000]  was important for him to get his name cleared. He'll be hoping with this
[06:15.000 --> 06:19.000]  gesture that now he can move on. Ursula, thanks very much. And later
[06:19.000 --> 06:22.000]  this hour I'll be speaking to our business presenter, Geoff Randall.
[06:22.000 --> 06:27.000]  He broke that story. That's coming up live at half past five. David Cameron
[06:27.000 --> 06:31.000]  has agreed to pay back nearly £1,000 in wrongly claimed expenses. The
[06:31.000 --> 06:35.000]  Conservative leader's decision comes on the day details of all MPs'
[06:35.000 --> 06:40.000]  expenses were made public but with key information missing. Our political
[06:40.000 --> 06:46.000]  correspondent Glen O'Glaser reports. Publishing MPs' expenses in full
[06:46.000 --> 06:51.000]  for the last four years was supposed to restore our trust in politics and
[06:51.000 --> 06:55.000]  politicians. But now we've seen the official paperwork, huge sections
[06:55.000 --> 07:01.000]  blacked out, information kept secret. Hardly transparent, is it? Without
[07:01.000 --> 07:06.000]  the Daily Telegraph's disclosures we would have had a lot of small items
[07:06.000 --> 07:10.000]  about individual items and expenditure but no information about the main
[07:10.000 --> 07:15.000]  scandal, which is the flipping of second homes. But apparently there are
[07:15.000 --> 07:19.000]  very good reasons why we can't see the information we'd like to. Every
[07:19.000 --> 07:24.000]  blacked out piece, and we anticipated this would be the story, covers data
[07:24.000 --> 07:28.000]  protection, covers security, covers bank account numbers, covers credit
[07:28.000 --> 07:33.000]  card numbers, covers personal addresses, covers patterns of behaviour,
[07:33.000 --> 07:37.000]  covers suppliers who are covered by the Data Protection Act and if we were
[07:37.000 --> 07:40.000]  to publish their information we would be in breach of that and they could
[07:40.000 --> 07:45.000]  sue the House of Commons. So far 20 MPs have said they're going to stand
[07:45.000 --> 07:49.000]  down because of expenses but they may not have had to if all we knew was
[07:49.000 --> 07:53.000]  from the claims published today. Take the latest resignation of Treasury
[07:53.000 --> 07:57.000]  Minister Kitty Usher. She avoided paying up to £17,000 in capital gains
[07:57.000 --> 08:01.000]  tax but the change of address has been blocked out in the Commons receipt.
[08:01.000 --> 08:07.000]  Margaret Moran spent £22,500 to treat dry rot at a property 100 miles
[08:07.000 --> 08:11.000]  from her constituency but the address she was making claims on was
[08:11.000 --> 08:15.000]  completely blacked out. The £2,000 that Douglas Hogg claimed for cleaning
[08:15.000 --> 08:20.000]  out his moat wasn't even included. And as the published Commons receipts
[08:20.000 --> 08:25.000]  only show what was approved, we would be none the wiser that gospel MP
[08:25.000 --> 08:31.000]  Sir Peter Vigges tried to claim £1,600 for a duck house. Nor would we
[08:31.000 --> 08:36.000]  have known about Hazel Blear's who stumped up £13,000 in capital gains
[08:36.000 --> 08:40.000]  tax before resigning from the government. There's a strong case, if
[08:40.000 --> 08:43.000]  not for the whole address being published, I understand the reasons
[08:43.000 --> 08:46.000]  for that, at least the post could have been published so people could see
[08:46.000 --> 08:49.000]  their MP for Luton is living in Southampton. The government maintains
[08:49.000 --> 08:54.000]  the system is being cleaned up. We are going to introduce legislation
[08:54.000 --> 09:00.000]  very, very shortly that will completely make the whole question of expenses
[09:00.000 --> 09:03.000]  run independently of the House of Commons, independent scrutiny,
[09:03.000 --> 09:07.000]  independent setting of the rules, I think that will lead to much more
[09:07.000 --> 09:10.000]  openness and it will be far, far better in the future. From the Prime
[09:10.000 --> 09:15.000]  Minister down, MPs may feel they need their hard hats right now. If all
[09:15.000 --> 09:19.000]  details of MP's expenses were revealed, few doubt that even more of them
[09:19.000 --> 09:24.000]  would be forced to stand down. The fees office operates out of this
[09:24.000 --> 09:27.000]  innocuous, rather anonymous building across the road from the House of
[09:27.000 --> 09:30.000]  Commons. It is here, if you are allowed in, that you would find those
[09:30.000 --> 09:34.000]  officials who approved all those MP's expenses and even, according to
[09:34.000 --> 09:38.000]  some MP's, encouraged them to over claim. And yet they appear to operate
[09:38.000 --> 09:44.000]  in a culture of secrecy, revealing as little information as possible.
[09:44.000 --> 09:48.000]  More MP's are paying back money, including Conservative leader David
[09:48.000 --> 09:52.000]  Cameron, not only for that notorious wisteria, but also for mortgage
[09:52.000 --> 09:57.000]  interest payments and gas, electricity and phone bills. One thing we have
[09:57.000 --> 10:02.000]  learned is that Shadow Chancellor George Osborne claimed £47 for two
[10:02.000 --> 10:07.000]  DVD's of one of his own speeches. The subject of the speech, value for
[10:07.000 --> 10:10.000]  taxpayers' money.
[10:10.000 --> 10:15.000]  Ivor Westminster, our chief political correspondent, John Craig.
[10:15.000 --> 10:20.000]  Mr Cameron says this was an inadvertent error. It is a small
[10:20.000 --> 10:25.000]  change compared with Fred the Shred's gesture, but it is a gesture.
[10:25.000 --> 10:29.000]  Earlier this week Mr Cameron told a meeting of Tory MPs he was going to
[10:29.000 --> 10:34.000]  get some money back. Now we know exactly what. He is trying to lead by
[10:34.000 --> 10:38.000]  example, though at that meeting he had with his MP's, there were grumbles
[10:38.000 --> 10:42.000]  and there was talk of a letter circulating accusing him of Stalinist
[10:42.000 --> 10:46.000]  tactics, of getting tough on his backbenchers and not so tough on
[10:46.000 --> 10:50.000]  some of his own Shadow Cabinet members. This is what Mr Cameron told
[10:50.000 --> 11:02.000]  us a very short time ago about what he is going to do.
[11:02.000 --> 11:05.000]  John, apologies to our viewers, we will try to get that fixed and replay
[11:05.000 --> 11:08.000]  it later this hour, but the expenses with details blacked out, that is
[11:08.000 --> 11:13.000]  grist of the mill for those who think MPs really had something to hide.
[11:13.000 --> 11:17.000]  The Telegraph will say, and in fact they are saying, if it had not been
[11:17.000 --> 11:20.000]  for them, if it had not been for the fact that they knew the addresses,
[11:20.000 --> 11:23.000]  we would not have known about all these flippers. We would not have
[11:23.000 --> 11:26.000]  known, for example, about Kitty Usher, who quit last night. She might
[11:26.000 --> 11:30.000]  have got away with it, so the claim goes. What we have learned today
[11:30.000 --> 11:34.000]  really is a lot of rather colourful and rather interesting fun claims,
[11:34.000 --> 11:38.000]  if you like, besides George Osborne and his DVDs. We have some quite
[11:38.000 --> 11:42.000]  interesting ones from Labour Ministers. Latex gloves, Douglas
[11:42.000 --> 11:47.000]  Alexander, a wine rack, Jim Knight, corkscrew and glasses also, Christmas
[11:47.000 --> 11:52.000]  cards, all that sort of stuff. On the Tory side, a massive mobile phone
[11:52.000 --> 11:57.000]  bill from Liam Fox, Chris Grayling, three televisions and three shredders.
[11:57.000 --> 12:01.000]  So you might say they are all a bit trivial. The serious point is that
[12:01.000 --> 12:04.000]  there has been a big battle here to try and keep this secret and there
[12:04.000 --> 12:08.000]  are still allegations of a cover-up. Mr Osborne, besides being lampooned
[12:08.000 --> 12:13.000]  over his DVDs, is facing a complaint by Labour, the Labour constituency
[12:13.000 --> 12:18.000]  chairman in Tatton, his constituency, to the Parliamentary Commissioner
[12:18.000 --> 12:22.000]  for Standards. He has told us tonight that he has received a complaint.
[12:22.000 --> 12:26.000]  He is looking at it, deciding what to do, talking to Mr Osborne first.
[12:26.000 --> 12:29.000]  So a lot of allegations flying around between one party and another
[12:29.000 --> 12:33.000]  here. Serious allegations of sleaze in some cases, some pretty trivial
[12:33.000 --> 12:37.000]  stuff we learned today and perhaps some of the more serious stuff has
[12:37.000 --> 12:41.000]  been covered up. John, thanks very much. Former Prime Minister Sir John
[12:41.000 --> 12:45.000]  Major has described the government's decision to keep an inquiry on the
[12:45.000 --> 12:49.000]  Iraq war private as inexplicable. He said the findings risk being
[12:49.000 --> 12:53.000]  denounced as a whitewash. After a day of heavy criticism, Gordon Brown
[12:53.000 --> 12:57.000]  has been forced into a U-turn and some hearings will now be made public.
[12:57.000 --> 13:00.000]  The former cabinet minister Lord Butler said the Prime Minister had
[13:00.000 --> 13:04.000]  not been acting in the interests of the public, at least public, at least
[13:04.000 --> 13:08.000]  not initially. Lord Butler, thank you very much indeed for joining us
[13:08.000 --> 13:11.000]  this evening. You say the government has effectively been acting in the
[13:11.000 --> 13:14.000]  political rather than national interest. It is a serious accusation.
[13:14.000 --> 13:19.000]  Why do you make it? You can see that it is in the government's political
[13:19.000 --> 13:24.000]  interest that as little should come out in public about the war in Iraq
[13:24.000 --> 13:30.000]  between now and the general election. One can't help feeling that the
[13:30.000 --> 13:34.000]  form of the inquiry has been dictated more by that consideration than the
[13:34.000 --> 13:39.000]  national consideration of purging the mistrust that people feel about the
[13:39.000 --> 13:43.000]  decisions to go to war. What do you say to those who argue and point to
[13:43.000 --> 13:47.000]  the template of the Franks committee that looked into the Falklands war
[13:47.000 --> 13:52.000]  which said when you have sensitive intelligence evidence, some of that
[13:52.000 --> 13:56.000]  has to be in camera, it has to be confidential? Some of it does have to
[13:56.000 --> 14:02.000]  be in camera, but of course my review published all the intelligence, all
[14:02.000 --> 14:06.000]  the intelligence assessments that the ministers received. I think there
[14:06.000 --> 14:10.000]  are aspects of discussions with the Americans that ought to be heard in
[14:10.000 --> 14:14.000]  camera and I think that there may be some people who will only be willing
[14:14.000 --> 14:18.000]  to give evidence in camera, but I think the presumption ought to be that
[14:18.000 --> 14:22.000]  the hearings are as much in public as they can be, to try and show the
[14:22.000 --> 14:27.000]  public that the government is not trying to conceal things. There is a
[14:27.000 --> 14:31.000]  suggestion perhaps that what is cathartic for the relatives of those
[14:31.000 --> 14:35.000]  who died in fighting ought to be a guiding principle. Some might say
[14:35.000 --> 14:39.000]  that is not really the way we ought to be looking at this, we ought not to
[14:39.000 --> 14:42.000]  be looking at it as a cathartic exercise for those who are perhaps still
[14:42.000 --> 14:45.000]  grieving. I think there are two functions of the inquiry, one is to
[14:45.000 --> 14:49.000]  draw policy conclusions, the policy lessons and there are certainly a
[14:49.000 --> 14:53.000]  lot to be learned from the Iraq experience and that I think that the
[14:53.000 --> 14:57.000]  bodies that have been set up is well qualified to do. But I think that
[14:57.000 --> 15:00.000]  it is not just the relatives, it certainly includes the relatives, but
[15:00.000 --> 15:05.000]  there are very many people who feel that they were misled, maybe even
[15:05.000 --> 15:09.000]  deceived by the government about decisions for going to war and that is
[15:09.000 --> 15:14.000]  a feeling I think that again the government has got to deal with, it is
[15:14.000 --> 15:19.000]  in the public interest that that boil should be launched. The more public
[15:19.000 --> 15:23.000]  the inquiry becomes, the more grandstanding some say there will be,
[15:23.000 --> 15:27.000]  is that a danger we think perhaps maybe about the Bloody Sunday inquiry
[15:27.000 --> 15:31.000]  and think how long that has taken, how much it has cost? I think the
[15:31.000 --> 15:35.000]  Bloody Sunday is a little bit of a bogeyman if I may say so, I don't
[15:35.000 --> 15:39.000]  think all inquiries have to be like Bloody Sunday and I think that as far
[15:39.000 --> 15:47.000]  as the evidence of the military, of the intelligence chiefs, indeed of
[15:47.000 --> 15:51.000]  the diplomats, I don't think there is much ground for grandstanding there
[15:51.000 --> 15:55.000]  and I don't think if you look at previous inquiries one sees much
[15:55.000 --> 15:58.000]  evidence of grandstanding. Maybe not grandstanding but certainly a
[15:58.000 --> 16:05.000]  lawyer's paradise. Well, yes, but if people need to be protected by
[16:05.000 --> 16:09.000]  lawyers' advice, they need to be protected in a private inquiry as
[16:09.000 --> 16:13.000]  much as they do in a public inquiry so I think that is not an essential
[16:13.000 --> 16:16.000]  difference between a public and a private inquiry. Lord Butler,
[16:16.000 --> 16:20.000]  thanks very much. I will be speaking to the former Prime Minister, Sir
[16:20.000 --> 16:24.000]  John Major later this hour, that is coming up at around about 5.30.
[16:24.000 --> 16:28.000]  Scientists have made the bleakest assessment yet of the effect climate
[16:28.000 --> 16:32.000]  change will have on the UK. They warn that rising temperatures and more
[16:32.000 --> 16:36.000]  extreme weather events will change all our daily lives.
[16:36.000 --> 16:38.000]  Sky's Holly Williams has more.
[16:38.000 --> 16:44.000]  Thanks, Colin. Scientists used a super computer to model different
[16:44.000 --> 16:49.000]  outcomes and it is bad news. Much more serious than we previously thought.
[16:49.000 --> 16:53.000]  If we don't cut carbon emissions, the worst-case scenario is an average
[16:53.000 --> 16:59.000]  summer temperature rise of six degrees by 2080. What would that feel
[16:59.000 --> 17:04.000]  like? Well, in London, summer temperatures would soar to 40 degrees.
[17:04.000 --> 17:08.000]  To put that in perspective, the 2003 heat wave saw temperatures of two
[17:08.000 --> 17:14.000]  degrees above average, killing 2,000 people here and 70,000 across
[17:14.000 --> 17:18.000]  Europe. With the heat could come more skin cancers, infectious diseases
[17:18.000 --> 17:24.000]  like malaria and respiratory problems like bronchitis and emphysema.
[17:24.000 --> 17:28.000]  Sea levels could also rise by 36 centimetres, putting hundreds of
[17:28.000 --> 17:32.000]  thousands of homes at risk. In the north, winters will be wetter and
[17:32.000 --> 17:37.000]  we'll see more storms. But with 20 per cent less rain in some areas,
[17:37.000 --> 17:41.000]  farmers could face crop failures and drought. Those are the predictions
[17:41.000 --> 17:46.000]  for the future, so what's Britain doing to face the heat?
[17:46.000 --> 17:51.000]  If we don't cut carbon emissions, even the best-case scenarios will
[17:51.000 --> 17:57.000]  bring more killer summers, more disastrous floods and creeping sea levels.
[17:57.000 --> 18:03.000]  Today the Prime Minister visited the Thames Barrier, built to protect
[18:03.000 --> 18:08.000]  London from floods in the 1950s. The message is that climate change is
[18:08.000 --> 18:13.000]  inevitable and we have to get ready for it. We're surrounded by the sea.
[18:13.000 --> 18:17.000]  We've got a lot of experience of dealing with it. We've invested over
[18:17.000 --> 18:20.000]  the last 12 years a lot of money in flood defence. We've doubled the
[18:20.000 --> 18:24.000]  spending, so more homes are protected now than was the case a decade ago.
[18:24.000 --> 18:28.000]  But we've got to prepare for the future that's coming as well.
[18:28.000 --> 18:32.000]  At Plumpton College near Lewes, they're making the best of rising
[18:32.000 --> 18:37.000]  temperatures, growing grapes and retraining local farmers to do the same.
[18:37.000 --> 18:41.000]  Two degrees hotter, then I think we're really in the champagne sort of
[18:41.000 --> 18:44.000]  climate. And I think there'll be some really big plantations on the
[18:44.000 --> 18:49.000]  chalky slopes in Kent and Surrey and Hampshire, even Dorset.
[18:49.000 --> 18:54.000]  And they'll be producing some wonderful wines.
[18:54.000 --> 19:00.000]  But for most of Britain, there's nothing to celebrate in today's report.
[19:00.000 --> 19:04.000]  To cope, the Environment Secretaries announced lots of new measures.
[19:04.000 --> 19:08.000]  There are contingency plans in hospitals to deal with heat waves and
[19:08.000 --> 19:12.000]  changes in farming practices. In fact, all government departments have
[19:12.000 --> 19:16.000]  been ordered to come up with adaptation plans. But what really needs to
[19:16.000 --> 19:19.000]  change is carbon emissions. The government's aiming to cut them by a
[19:19.000 --> 19:25.000]  third by 2020. If we can't do that, it's going to get a lot warmer, a
[19:25.000 --> 19:27.000]  lot sooner than we'd thought.
[19:27.000 --> 19:30.000]  Holly, thanks very much. Now, a journalist has won the right to
[19:30.000 --> 19:34.000]  withhold material about the real IRA from police in Northern Ireland.
[19:34.000 --> 19:38.000]  A judge ruled that Suzanne Breen's life would be endangered if she gave
[19:38.000 --> 19:41.000]  the authorities information on the killings of two British soldiers in
[19:41.000 --> 19:47.000]  March. Criminal trials to be heard without a jury for the first time.
[19:47.000 --> 19:50.000]  The Court of Appeal made the ruling saying there was a significant
[19:50.000 --> 19:54.000]  danger of jury tampering. Four people are facing charges after an
[19:54.000 --> 20:00.000]  armed attempt to steal £10 million from a warehouse at Heathrow Airport.
[20:00.000 --> 20:03.000]  Baroness Thatcher is to have a routine operation tomorrow to insert a
[20:03.000 --> 20:07.000]  pin into her broken arm. The 83-year-old has been recovering in
[20:07.000 --> 20:13.000]  hospital for a week after falling over at home. Now, Iran's defeated
[20:13.000 --> 20:16.000]  presidential candidate, Mir Hossein Mousavi, has appeared on the sixth
[20:16.000 --> 20:20.000]  day of protests in Tehran. Demonstrators wore black to mourn those
[20:20.000 --> 20:24.000]  killed in clashes with police. Sky News reporters in Iran were asked to
[20:24.000 --> 20:27.000]  leave by the authorities after the election. This report is being
[20:27.000 --> 20:32.000]  compiled in London by our foreign affairs correspondent, Lisa Holland.
[20:32.000 --> 20:39.000]  Iranian state television allowed to show President Ahmadinejad's
[20:39.000 --> 20:45.000]  nemesis. Grainy pictures, but still it is a highly provocative image.
[20:45.000 --> 20:50.000]  The opposition leader, who claims he was cheated from power, calling on
[20:50.000 --> 20:55.000]  his supporters to stay calm. They had come because Mir Hossein Mousavi
[20:55.000 --> 20:59.000]  had asked them to. Such is the following he has garnered over recent
[20:59.000 --> 21:04.000]  weeks. Now his face symbolises a movement demanding more than just a
[21:04.000 --> 21:09.000]  recount of the election. But for today, he told them to wear black as a
[21:09.000 --> 21:15.000]  sign of mourning for those killed in the violence since voting day.
[21:15.000 --> 21:21.000]  This picture was taken yesterday of one family burying its dead. The
[21:21.000 --> 21:25.000]  government puts the number killed at eight. The opposition claims it's
[21:25.000 --> 21:29.000]  as many as a hundred across the country, but there's absolutely no way
[21:29.000 --> 21:34.000]  of knowing if that's true. And the list of those detained by the
[21:34.000 --> 21:39.000]  authorities is growing, including Ibrahim Yadzi, a former aide to the
[21:39.000 --> 21:44.000]  father of the revolution the Ayatollah Khomeini, and Mohammed Tavassali,
[21:44.000 --> 21:49.000]  close to the former president Rafsanjani. The opposition says hundreds
[21:49.000 --> 21:53.000]  of people have been detained. Foreign journalists are still banned from
[21:53.000 --> 21:57.000]  attending the rallies and communication with the outside world is being
[21:57.000 --> 22:03.000]  stifled. The next move will come from the Ayatollah Khomeini, Iran's
[22:03.000 --> 22:08.000]  supreme leader. He will address the nation from Friday prayers in Tehran.
[22:08.000 --> 22:12.000]  It is his moment to really assert his authority in a place where the
[22:12.000 --> 22:20.000]  constitution decrees his word is final. After the violence in the
[22:20.000 --> 22:24.000]  universities and on the streets, it will be a moment to attempt to mould
[22:24.000 --> 22:28.000]  national unity, where for days now there has been violent division. If
[22:28.000 --> 22:33.000]  he fails, all bets are off in predicting Iran's future.
[22:33.000 --> 22:39.000]  Our Britain's royal princes have revealed their royal rivalry. William
[22:39.000 --> 22:43.000]  and Harry are both undergoing training to be pilots, but neither is
[22:43.000 --> 22:50.000]  willing to admit whose best. Jeff Mead reports. Brothers in arms as the
[22:50.000 --> 22:54.000]  two princes military careers coincide for the first time, as well as
[22:54.000 --> 22:58.000]  getting to grips with rigorous classroom and flying tests, they are
[22:58.000 --> 23:02.000]  sharing a house and a good deal of banter. He has definitely got more
[23:02.000 --> 23:05.000]  brains than me, I think we have established that from school, but when
[23:05.000 --> 23:15.000]  I saw that, I am much better hands on. When do you find so? Boredness.
[23:15.000 --> 23:19.000]  It is pretty rich coming from a ginger, so I am quite happy to have
[23:19.000 --> 23:23.000]  that one. Bearing in mind I cook him and feed him basically every day, I
[23:23.000 --> 23:27.000]  think he has done rather well. He did all the washing up. He does do a
[23:27.000 --> 23:30.000]  bit of the washing up, then he leaves most of it in the sink and then it
[23:30.000 --> 23:34.000]  comes back in the morning and I have to wash it up. The lies. Do you
[23:34.000 --> 23:38.000]  find yourself tidying up after him? Yeah, he snores a lot as well, keeps
[23:38.000 --> 23:42.000]  me out all night long. I think we are showing a bed next. I think that is
[23:42.000 --> 23:45.000]  very important we say that. William has been learning since January how
[23:45.000 --> 23:50.000]  to fly RAF search and rescue missions. Harry, who served on the front line
[23:50.000 --> 23:54.000]  in Helmand last year, is desperate to return to combat duty, the anonymity
[23:54.000 --> 23:59.000]  of a cockpit seen as the safest way for a Royal to return to action. To get
[23:59.000 --> 24:02.000]  out to Afghanistan again would be fantastic and my best chance is to be
[24:02.000 --> 24:06.000]  a helicopter, to do it from a helicopter. Have you got off the ground yet?
[24:06.000 --> 24:08.000]  Sorry? Have you got off the ground yet? I have just got off the ground.
[24:08.000 --> 24:12.000]  Thank you. Thanks for asking. And behind the Royal Chuckle Brothers
[24:12.000 --> 24:17.000]  routine, it is clear William longs for his own chance to serve in Helmand.
[24:17.000 --> 24:21.000]  I didn't join the forces to be, like I said a lot of times before, molly
[24:21.000 --> 24:24.000]  cuddled or treated any different and as far as I am concerned, in my
[24:24.000 --> 24:28.000]  eyes, if Harry can do it, then I can do it. I don't really separate us in
[24:28.000 --> 24:32.000]  that much difference and I think as the future head of the armed forces,
[24:32.000 --> 24:36.000]  it is really important that I at least get the opportunity to be credible
[24:36.000 --> 24:39.000]  and to do the job that I signed up for and to do the best that I can.
[24:39.000 --> 24:42.000]  It is actually out of the question that the second in line would be put
[24:42.000 --> 24:46.000]  at risk on the front line and William will lose no respect inside or
[24:46.000 --> 24:50.000]  outside of the military for being forbidden combat duty. Whether his
[24:50.000 --> 24:54.000]  brother grabs more glory depends on how he progresses here in the full
[24:54.000 --> 24:58.000]  knowledge that one in six army pilots failed to make the grade.
[24:58.000 --> 25:02.000]  Geoff Meads, Sky News, RAF Shawbury.
[25:02.000 --> 25:06.000]  This is Sky News on our website, SkyNews.com. The Afghan immigrant who
[25:06.000 --> 25:11.000]  got access to Sandhurst after stowing away on a coach.
[25:11.000 --> 25:15.000]  Whilst coming up, loyalists in Northern Ireland make a breakthrough on
[25:15.000 --> 25:19.000]  decommissioning their weapons. And more freedom for the Gurkhas,
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[28:00.000 --> 28:18.000]  It is believed loyalist groups in Northern Ireland have started
[28:18.000 --> 28:22.000]  decommissioning their weapons. They have been under pressure to give up
[28:22.000 --> 28:26.000]  their guns after being set an August deadline by the government.
[28:26.000 --> 28:34.000]  A major breakthrough it seems, Vicky. All the indications are that
[28:34.000 --> 28:38.000]  loyalist paramilitary groups have begun decommissioning. I understand
[28:38.000 --> 28:43.000]  that the Ulster volunteer force has made the biggest move in decommissioning
[28:43.000 --> 28:47.000]  and the Ulster Defence Association, the UDA, is not far behind making
[28:47.000 --> 28:53.000]  similar moves. This all came out earlier today. The government, nor
[28:53.000 --> 28:57.000]  the decommissioning body, which was set up to monitor the decommissioning
[28:57.000 --> 29:01.000]  of weapons, have been able to confirm any of this. The Secretary of
[29:01.000 --> 29:05.000]  State, Sean Woodward, felt it was significant enough. He was prepared
[29:05.000 --> 29:08.000]  to give a press conference here at Hillsborough Castle, his official
[29:08.000 --> 29:13.000]  residence, earlier this afternoon. This is what he had to say. If these
[29:13.000 --> 29:19.000]  reports were to be confirmed, they would demonstrate a major act of
[29:19.000 --> 29:24.000]  decommissioning by loyalism. And secondly, what they demonstrate, if
[29:24.000 --> 29:29.000]  they are confirmed, is that politics in Northern Ireland is working.
[29:29.000 --> 29:35.000]  All of the armed organisations should follow suit and I hope that we
[29:35.000 --> 29:39.000]  are into a circumstance where all that is happening. I think it shows
[29:39.000 --> 29:43.000]  that most people, as can be seen in the number of elections which have
[29:43.000 --> 29:46.000]  occurred, have faith in the process.
[29:46.000 --> 29:50.000]  As I say, while this has not been officially confirmed, the general
[29:50.000 --> 29:54.000]  feeling is that there is definitely something afoot with loyalists
[29:54.000 --> 29:58.000]  decommissioning. Put some background to this, the IRA completed
[29:58.000 --> 30:02.000]  decommissioning in 2005 and ever since then the loyalists have been
[30:02.000 --> 30:06.000]  under serious pressure to follow that and to make their significant
[30:06.000 --> 30:10.000]  steps towards decommissioning. It all looks like this is exactly what is
[30:10.000 --> 30:13.000]  happening and we may have official confirmation of this within the next
[30:13.000 --> 30:17.000]  few days. Vicky, thanks very much indeed. Top stories for you on Live
[30:17.000 --> 30:21.000]  at Five. Sir Fred Goodwin is to hand back a large part of his pension
[30:21.000 --> 30:25.000]  as revealed on Sky News. The disgraced banker will now take home
[30:25.000 --> 30:31.000]  £340,000 a year but he keeps a multi-million pound lump sum.
[30:31.000 --> 30:36.000]  Conservative leader Dame Cameron is to pay back almost £1,000 in
[30:36.000 --> 30:40.000]  wrongly claimed expenses. Iran's defeated presidential candidate
[30:40.000 --> 30:48.000]  has appeared on a sixth day of protests in Tehran.
[30:48.000 --> 30:53.000]  This afternoon over Hong Kong, we expect to see a downpour of vintage
[30:53.000 --> 31:00.000]  champagne. Our weather currently is still a little bit changeable but
[31:00.000 --> 31:04.000]  it is getting better by the day and certainly as we go into next week,
[31:04.000 --> 31:07.000]  high pressure should be taking over and temperatures will be lifting
[31:07.000 --> 31:11.000]  nicely as well. These showers, they are all down to an area of low
[31:11.000 --> 31:14.000]  pressure close to Scotland. Some of those showers have been quite heavy
[31:14.000 --> 31:17.000]  through the course of the day and indeed, thundery. We have seen one
[31:17.000 --> 31:20.000]  or two down towards the south as well but in fact, this is where we have
[31:20.000 --> 31:23.000]  got the thicker cloud. You can see elsewhere, better breaks in that
[31:23.000 --> 31:26.000]  cloud but temperatures have still reached around 20, 21 degrees
[31:26.000 --> 31:30.000]  Celsius, about 70 degrees Fahrenheit. There is our low centre at the
[31:30.000 --> 31:33.000]  moment and the rather brisk winds that go with it and that is going to
[31:33.000 --> 31:36.000]  track its way slowly eastwards overnight so those showers really
[31:36.000 --> 31:41.000]  tending to make their way across to eastern parts of Scotland to be
[31:41.000 --> 31:44.000]  followed by a few more showers into the north and west first thing on
[31:44.000 --> 31:47.000]  Friday morning but generally, we should see a lot of that cloud disappear
[31:47.000 --> 31:51.000]  from southern parts so brighter skies to start the day and of course,
[31:51.000 --> 31:54.000]  temperatures will respond to that. We are looking at temperatures around
[31:54.000 --> 31:57.000]  20, 21 degrees Celsius on the day, about 70 degrees Fahrenheit.
[31:57.000 --> 32:01.000]  Well, more now on the government's apparent U-turn on its plans to hold
[32:01.000 --> 32:05.000]  an enquiry into the Iraq war in private. Some hearings now will be
[32:05.000 --> 32:09.000]  held publicly after Gordon Brown came under heavy criticism today, not
[32:09.000 --> 32:12.000]  least from former Prime Minister Sir John Major who described the
[32:12.000 --> 32:17.000]  initial plans as inexplicable and Sir John joins me now live from Westminster.
[32:17.000 --> 32:22.000]  Sir John Major, why do you think that plan will not be implemented?
[32:22.000 --> 32:27.000]  Well, you have here with the Iraq war something that was very
[32:27.000 --> 32:31.000]  controversial. There are some elements of it that are still not clear to
[32:31.000 --> 32:35.000]  people. Was the war legal? What advice was given to the government? How
[32:35.000 --> 32:39.000]  did they deal with it? They are crucial questions. There are further
[32:39.000 --> 32:43.000]  questions as well. Did we actually go to war on a false premise? What
[32:43.000 --> 32:47.000]  were we told about the weapons of mass destruction? Those are issues
[32:47.000 --> 32:52.000]  that are very controversial. And in the government's own interests, we
[32:52.000 --> 32:56.000]  need to make sure that those are settled and put to rest. Holding an
[32:56.000 --> 33:00.000]  enquiry largely behind closed doors, which was what was originally
[33:00.000 --> 33:04.000]  anticipated, would certainly have just given rise to more and more
[33:04.000 --> 33:08.000]  rumours and more and more discontent in the government's own interests. I
[33:08.000 --> 33:12.000]  thought that was a very silly decision. Who ought to decide which
[33:12.000 --> 33:17.000]  elements remain confidential? Which bits remain in camera? Inevitably,
[33:17.000 --> 33:21.000]  there will be evidence coming from senior intelligence sources, which
[33:21.000 --> 33:25.000]  in the national interest ought to stay private. I entirely agree with
[33:25.000 --> 33:29.000]  that. I don't think anyone disagrees with that. Of course there are. But
[33:29.000 --> 33:32.000]  I think the general presumption should be public, that the hearing
[33:32.000 --> 33:36.000]  should be in public, with the hearings closed when the chairman and the
[33:36.000 --> 33:39.000]  committee judge that it is in the national interest for them to be so.
[33:39.000 --> 33:42.000]  I think they're best placed. They know what questions they're going to
[33:42.000 --> 33:45.000]  ask. They know the responsibilities of the witness. They're
[33:45.000 --> 33:48.000]  cross-examining. So I think they're the people to make the decision. But
[33:48.000 --> 33:52.000]  overall, essentially, the presumption must be that the inquiry is in
[33:52.000 --> 33:57.000]  public if it is to carry the force with the public that everyone hopes
[33:57.000 --> 34:01.000]  that it will have. Let us get this matter solved. What we don't want is
[34:01.000 --> 34:06.000]  a legacy of suspicion hanging over for years, so that next time a future
[34:06.000 --> 34:09.000]  government may be in a position of having to send troops into conflict,
[34:09.000 --> 34:13.000]  everyone knows that what is being done is entirely above board and the
[34:13.000 --> 34:17.000]  government's word is instinctively and unquestioningly trusted. That's
[34:17.000 --> 34:21.000]  what we must hope will come out of this inquiry. But to ensure that, we
[34:21.000 --> 34:26.000]  first need the inquiry. Is there a danger that if this inquiry is fully
[34:26.000 --> 34:31.000]  public, we effectively offer a licence for grandstanding, for posturing?
[34:31.000 --> 34:36.000]  It becomes more political. Well, I'm not quite sure the sort of witnesses
[34:36.000 --> 34:39.000]  they're going to have who is actually going to do the posturing and being
[34:39.000 --> 34:44.000]  political. I don't think the sort of people they're going to be
[34:44.000 --> 34:47.000]  interviewing are going to take that view. If they are, I think the
[34:47.000 --> 34:50.000]  experience of the chairman and the committee will soon cut them down to
[34:50.000 --> 34:55.000]  size. But you have a choice. Even if one or two people postured, is that
[34:55.000 --> 34:59.000]  worse than a large part of the public not being satisfied with the outcome
[34:59.000 --> 35:04.000]  of this inquiry? I would argue not. What is necessary at the end of this
[35:04.000 --> 35:10.000]  inquiry is to put to rest the suspicions and uncertainties that have
[35:10.000 --> 35:14.000]  lingered about how this war began from the very outset of it. Is there a
[35:14.000 --> 35:18.000]  sense in which the inquiry in becoming public becomes a cathartic
[35:18.000 --> 35:22.000]  exercise for the relatives of those combatants who lost their lives? Well,
[35:22.000 --> 35:26.000]  I think you touch on an extremely important point. I think it is very
[35:26.000 --> 35:30.000]  important for the families and friends of those servicemen who were killed
[35:30.000 --> 35:35.000]  or wounded, in many cases very seriously maimed, I think they need some
[35:35.000 --> 35:39.000]  form of closure. And I think the form of closure, you used the word
[35:39.000 --> 35:43.000]  cathartic, I think I would refer to it as closure, can best be done by an
[35:43.000 --> 35:47.000]  inquiry that examines the veracities of the war, how it came about, how it
[35:47.000 --> 35:52.000]  was conducted, and finally puts the whole matter to rest. So I think, yes,
[35:52.000 --> 35:56.000]  you are right, it will be cathartic and I think it will offer closure. And
[35:56.000 --> 36:00.000]  that, I think, is a very important part of the reason for having this
[36:00.000 --> 36:04.000]  inquiry. That closure could come at a tremendous price, couldn't it? In
[36:04.000 --> 36:07.000]  cost terms, we think of the Bloody Sunday inquiry, we look at something
[36:07.000 --> 36:11.000]  that has become a very protracted process, it has gone on for an awful
[36:11.000 --> 36:15.000]  long time and it has cost the taxpayer an enormous amount of money. I
[36:15.000 --> 36:18.000]  don't think we are likely to see a replication of the Bloody Sunday
[36:18.000 --> 36:22.000]  fiasco, which, as you say, went on a very long time. I think the general
[36:22.000 --> 36:25.000]  presumption from the Prime Minister downwards is that this is an inquiry
[36:25.000 --> 36:29.000]  that will proceed quite speedily and report quite speedily. Personally, I
[36:29.000 --> 36:33.000]  regret it didn't begin two years ago when I first advocated that it
[36:33.000 --> 36:36.000]  should. But nonetheless, I don't think it's going to replicate that. The
[36:36.000 --> 36:40.000]  lessons of the Bloody Sunday inquiry, I think, have been well learned. And
[36:40.000 --> 36:43.000]  how would you characterise, finally, the Prime Minister's handling of this
[36:43.000 --> 36:49.000]  announcement? Well, I'm baffled, to be frank. I'm baffled that it was so
[36:49.000 --> 36:54.000]  unclear to him that it would not meet the government's own purpose if they
[36:54.000 --> 36:58.000]  had this in private. The government's purpose is to settle this and push
[36:58.000 --> 37:02.000]  it to one side for once and all. Having it in private simply wouldn't
[37:02.000 --> 37:06.000]  have done that. And I simply can't begin to imagine how they thought
[37:06.000 --> 37:11.000]  that it would. Sir John Major, thank you. Thank you. This is Sky News,
[37:11.000 --> 37:14.000]  coming up for you. Payback time. Geoff Randall, a wife Fred the Shred, is
[37:14.000 --> 37:42.000]  giving up part of his pension. That's next on Live at Five.
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[39:53.000 --> 39:56.000]  So as revealed today on Sky News, Sir Fred Goodwin will now take home a
[39:56.000 --> 39:59.000]  three hundred and forty thousand pounds a year pension but keeps a
[39:59.000 --> 40:02.000]  multi-million pound lump sum, a story broken by our business presenter
[40:02.000 --> 40:07.000]  Geoff Randall who's here to talk about it. Why has he done this Geoff?
[40:07.000 --> 40:11.000]  Well look at it from Fred Goodwin's point of view. Okay, he had a massive
[40:11.000 --> 40:15.000]  pension, seven hundred and three thousand pounds but his life and that
[40:15.000 --> 40:20.000]  of his family had become intolerable. He had become the demon figure for
[40:20.000 --> 40:25.000]  financial greed. He had become the personification really of the banking
[40:25.000 --> 40:29.000]  collapse. His house had been pelted, his kids had been taken out of school,
[40:29.000 --> 40:33.000]  you know he'd become a pariah. You cannot go on like that and I think he
[40:33.000 --> 40:36.000]  had taken advice from lots of people, some professional, some personal
[40:36.000 --> 40:40.000]  saying a gesture is required and it can't just be a few grand in the
[40:40.000 --> 40:45.000]  Salvation Army kitty, you know you've got to do something proper and I
[40:45.000 --> 40:49.000]  think the voices that were talking to Fred always thought that about half
[40:49.000 --> 40:53.000]  would be right and you know in the wash here it's a slightly complicated
[40:53.000 --> 40:57.000]  deal but it is about half. He was going to get seven hundred and three
[40:57.000 --> 41:00.000]  thousand pounds, now it's over three hundred and forty thousand but he
[41:00.000 --> 41:03.000]  does have the lump sum which he's taken out up front. We've talked
[41:03.000 --> 41:06.000]  before haven't we about how he'd become a bogeyman for politicians and
[41:06.000 --> 41:09.000]  the full weight of the state in a sense was bearing down on him as he
[41:09.000 --> 41:12.000]  became this bogeyman figure but it wasn't just him that was suffering,
[41:12.000 --> 41:15.000]  our correspondent in Edinburgh today was talking about his two boys in a
[41:15.000 --> 41:18.000]  private school, some of their colleagues at the school and their
[41:18.000 --> 41:22.000]  parents had suffered at RBS and it was affecting as you say his entire
[41:22.000 --> 41:26.000]  family. Completely and you know Fred was obsessed with work but he does
[41:26.000 --> 41:29.000]  have a family life, he does have a conscience and this was just
[41:29.000 --> 41:33.000]  intolerable, you cannot go on like this unless you are so hard-hearted, so
[41:33.000 --> 41:37.000]  flinty that you say stuff them all and clearly he wasn't going to do that.
[41:37.000 --> 41:41.000]  I think the other thing is also that Fred, he's only fifty you know I
[41:41.000 --> 41:44.000]  think he believes that he still has a role to play somewhere in business
[41:44.000 --> 41:49.000]  life. He did not have an opening while this was hanging over him, he had
[41:49.000 --> 41:52.000]  to have closure as we heard in the previous interview, closure is very
[41:52.000 --> 41:55.000]  important to problems of this scale. Now I think there will be closure
[41:55.000 --> 41:59.000]  the unions will kick up a fuss and you can see why, I'm not saying that
[41:59.000 --> 42:02.000]  their complaints are unjustified but I think that they will dribble away.
[42:02.000 --> 42:06.000]  The key players in all this, the government, the UKFI which looks
[42:06.000 --> 42:10.000]  after our investments, the bank itself and Sir Fred I think have done a
[42:10.000 --> 42:13.000]  deal and they will say we'll move on. It's one thing for protesters to
[42:13.000 --> 42:17.000]  stop putting his front window through, it's quite another for serious
[42:17.000 --> 42:21.000]  business people to welcome him onto the board of a big company, I mean
[42:21.000 --> 42:24.000]  this is after all a man whose pariah status was such that he was
[42:24.000 --> 42:27.000]  effectively blackballed from membership at a well-known golf club.
[42:27.000 --> 42:32.000]  Yes he was, well there is a precedent, Andy Hornby who ran H boss,
[42:32.000 --> 42:37.000]  another bank that all but collapsed, he has now been welcomed back as the
[42:37.000 --> 42:43.000]  chief executive of Boots. Not to universal acclaim but he's got away
[42:43.000 --> 42:47.000]  with it and I don't think he was, he wasn't shredded to use that phrase
[42:47.000 --> 42:51.000]  in the press, some people said he was a very good retailer who played at
[42:51.000 --> 42:54.000]  banking and now has gone back to retail. I think there is a big
[42:54.000 --> 42:58.000]  difference, H boss was never Andy Hornby's bank, he was someone who
[42:58.000 --> 43:02.000]  got out of his debt and was running H boss, he wasn't inextricably
[43:02.000 --> 43:06.000]  linked with the personality of that bank. Unfortunately for Fred Goodwin
[43:06.000 --> 43:11.000]  he was linked with RBS, it was Fred's bank, it was his deal and in that
[43:11.000 --> 43:15.000]  sense it's going to be harder to find a way back. Jeff, thanks very much
[43:15.000 --> 43:18.000]  indeed, more from Jeff on that story of course on his programme tonight
[43:18.000 --> 43:22.000]  at 7.30pm. After forcing the government to change the rules on settling
[43:22.000 --> 43:26.000]  in the UK last month, the Gurkhas have had further cause to celebrate,
[43:26.000 --> 43:29.000]  they were given the freedom of Folkestone in Kent in front of a
[43:29.000 --> 43:36.000]  10,000 strong crowd. Sky's David Bowden was there.
[43:36.000 --> 43:39.000]  The sun shone brightly and the crowds turned out in droves as the
[43:39.000 --> 43:44.000]  Gurkhas were given the freedom of Folkestone. More than 600 men from
[43:44.000 --> 43:48.000]  the second battalion just back from a gruelling tour of Afghanistan
[43:48.000 --> 43:54.000]  proudly marched through the seaside town. Fantastic, all children,
[43:54.000 --> 44:00.000]  everything Folkestone, whatever, all the people here, it's absolutely
[44:00.000 --> 44:07.000]  fantastic. It must make you feel immensely proud. Really proud.
[44:07.000 --> 44:11.000]  Also there are Gurkhas who can no longer march, their legs blown off
[44:11.000 --> 44:15.000]  by Taliban mines but their spirit still strong. I feel very happy and
[44:15.000 --> 44:24.000]  proud that the public supports us so much. I love it.
[44:24.000 --> 44:27.000]  For the crowd, a chance to say a personal thanks to this unique band
[44:27.000 --> 44:31.000]  of brothers who put their lives on the line not for their own country
[44:31.000 --> 44:36.000]  but for ours. I've lived in Folkestone all my life and it just gives
[44:36.000 --> 44:41.000]  me such enormous pride to be here. The Gurkhas have been with us for
[44:41.000 --> 44:46.000]  what, 200, 300 years? Marvelous. Absolutely marvelous. I tell you
[44:46.000 --> 44:51.000]  what, get you there. Absolutely. For these Gurkhas this is a day of
[44:51.000 --> 44:56.000]  celebration and pride but also one of sadness. They, like many other
[44:56.000 --> 44:59.000]  units who served in Afghanistan, have lost comrades in the fight
[44:59.000 --> 45:05.000]  against the Taliban. There will be no homecoming parade for them.
[45:05.000 --> 45:08.000]  No Gurkha event these days it seems is complete without an appearance
[45:08.000 --> 45:12.000]  by Joanna Lumley who's brought the bravery of these Nepalese fighting
[45:12.000 --> 45:16.000]  men to the fore. I think it's just such a sign of respect from our
[45:16.000 --> 45:19.000]  country and I think it's absolutely thrilling. I'm so proud of
[45:19.000 --> 45:23.000]  Folkestone for doing this grand thing both for the serving soldiers
[45:23.000 --> 45:27.000]  and for the retired soldiers. I think it means so much and it's really
[45:27.000 --> 45:30.000]  part of, it's a sort of microcosm of what our country wants to say to
[45:30.000 --> 45:35.000]  these Gurkhas. You are so welcome. We're so honored to have you amongst us.
[45:35.000 --> 45:38.000]  It took just quarter of an hour for the quick-stepping Gurkhas to
[45:38.000 --> 45:42.000]  complete the mile and a quarter march through Folkestone before returning
[45:42.000 --> 45:46.000]  to their barracks to be presented with their campaign medals. For each
[45:46.000 --> 45:51.000]  and every one of them an unforgettable day. Though for the wives of
[45:51.000 --> 45:56.000]  Corporal Kumar Poon and Colour Sergeant Krishna Dura, the Gurkhas who
[45:56.000 --> 46:00.000]  were killed in Afghanistan, the memories will be altogether different.
[46:00.000 --> 46:05.000]  David Bowden, Sky News, with the Gurkhas in Folkestone. Top stories
[46:05.000 --> 46:08.000]  on Live at Five for you. Sir Fred Goodwin is to hand back a huge part
[46:08.000 --> 46:12.000]  of his pension. As revealed on Sky News, the disgraced banker will now
[46:12.000 --> 46:17.000]  take home £340,000 a year but he keeps a multi-million pound lump sum.
[46:17.000 --> 46:21.000]  The Conservative leader David Cameron is to pay back almost £1,000 in
[46:21.000 --> 46:25.000]  wrongly claimed expenses. And Iran's defeated presidential candidate
[46:25.000 --> 46:31.000]  Mir Hossein Mousavi has appeared on a sixth day of protests in Tehran.
[46:31.000 --> 46:35.000]  This is Sky News coming up at six. We are live in Salford where
[46:35.000 --> 46:40.000]  Hazel Blias could be deselected as an MP tonight. Who is rocking the
[46:40.000 --> 46:44.000]  boat? And up next, who is in, who is out of the Lions team to play
[46:44.000 --> 46:49.000]  South Africa?
[46:49.000 --> 46:55.000]  Jeff Hoon has just announced that he's going to step down. I know Sky is
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[50:06.000 --> 50:09.000]  Dan Lobs here to reflect on the sport and in particular the fact it's
[50:09.000 --> 50:11.000]  the Lions first test on Saturday.
[50:11.000 --> 50:12.000]  It's come around quickly.
[50:12.000 --> 50:15.000]  Yeah, they've been out there since the 30th of May.
[50:15.000 --> 50:16.000]  They've had six matches.
[50:16.000 --> 50:19.000]  They've won all six and the British and Irish Lions have finally named
[50:19.000 --> 50:23.000]  their team to face South Africa for that first test as Colin was saying
[50:23.000 --> 50:24.000]  on Saturday.
[50:24.000 --> 50:25.000]  There's the team in full.
[50:25.000 --> 50:27.000]  No real surprises in the selection.
[50:27.000 --> 50:31.000]  The toughest decision made by Coach Ian McGeachan he had to make was who
[50:31.000 --> 50:33.000]  to choose in the back row.
[50:33.000 --> 50:37.000]  He went for Tom Croft, David Wallace and Jamie Heslip.
[50:37.000 --> 50:41.000]  The team consists of six Welshmen, five Irishmen, four Englishmen.
[50:41.000 --> 50:43.000]  No Scots in the 22.
[50:43.000 --> 50:46.000]  This is the first of three tests.
[50:46.000 --> 50:49.000]  The Lions hoping to emulate what they achieved under McGeachan back in
[50:49.000 --> 50:50.000]  1997.
[50:50.000 --> 50:55.000]  After the announcement, the coach explained his selections.
[50:55.000 --> 50:59.000]  When you're playing a test match, I know you'll tell me I've done it in
[50:59.000 --> 51:03.000]  the past, but I think where we could, we wanted to be having players
[51:03.000 --> 51:07.000]  playing in their number one positions.
[51:07.000 --> 51:10.000]  And, you know, that's what we've tried to do.
[51:10.000 --> 51:15.000]  I think we know we'll be playing at a different level on Saturday and I
[51:15.000 --> 51:23.000]  think, you know, it's important that we try and give them that opportunity.
[51:23.000 --> 51:25.000]  Those warm-up games, they've been in fabulous form.
[51:25.000 --> 51:28.000]  I mean, they've taken quite a lot of physical stick, particularly the
[51:28.000 --> 51:29.000]  last game, didn't they?
[51:29.000 --> 51:31.000]  Yeah, absolutely against the Kings.
[51:31.000 --> 51:33.000]  I mean, there were some doubts over a couple of players.
[51:33.000 --> 51:36.000]  They were already expecting a tough encounter and you would do that
[51:36.000 --> 51:38.000]  going to South Africa and playing those provincial sides, but they've
[51:38.000 --> 51:40.000]  come through magnificently well.
[51:40.000 --> 51:44.000]  Six out of six, but I think it's a step up now, isn't it, against South
[51:44.000 --> 51:45.000]  Africa?
[51:45.000 --> 51:46.000]  Yeah, it really is.
[51:46.000 --> 51:47.000]  It's three tests.
[51:47.000 --> 51:51.000]  Now, this first test really set the tone for the rest of the tour, but
[51:51.000 --> 51:54.000]  fingers crossed for a good performance from the Lions on Saturday.
[51:54.000 --> 51:55.000]  Let's move on to the golf show.
[51:55.000 --> 51:57.000]  It's day one at the US Open.
[51:57.000 --> 52:01.000]  Weather, though, has already intervened at the Bethpage Black Course in
[52:01.000 --> 52:02.000]  upstate New York.
[52:02.000 --> 52:05.000]  Players have been suspended because the course is waterlogged.
[52:05.000 --> 52:09.000]  Tiger Woods completed six holes before rain stopped play and had an
[52:09.000 --> 52:10.000]  eventful time.
[52:10.000 --> 52:15.000]  Defending champion hit this wayward tee shot at the par four fifth, which
[52:15.000 --> 52:19.000]  led to a double bogey in the end.
[52:19.000 --> 52:24.000]  But he hit straight back at the next, a birdie three, leaving him one
[52:24.000 --> 52:28.000]  over two shots off the leads.
[52:28.000 --> 52:32.000]  History was made on Ladies Day at Royal Ascot in the feature race, the
[52:32.000 --> 52:33.000]  Gold Cup.
[52:33.000 --> 52:36.000]  The six to four favourite, Yates, became the first horse to win the race
[52:36.000 --> 52:38.000]  for a fourth year in a row.
[52:38.000 --> 52:41.000]  The eight-year-old, ridden by Johnny Murtaugh, came home three and a
[52:41.000 --> 52:44.000]  half lengths clear of Pat Guy at nine to two.
[52:44.000 --> 52:53.000]  Geordie Land at 11 to four was third, a further 15 lengths adrift.
[52:53.000 --> 52:56.000]  South Africa playing Pakistan in the first semi-final of the World
[52:56.000 --> 52:59.000]  Twenty20, this one being played at Trent Bridge.
[52:59.000 --> 53:03.000]  This was the first wicket that Pakistan won the toss and legged it to
[53:03.000 --> 53:04.000]  bat.
[53:04.000 --> 53:09.000]  Shahzab Hassan caught wonderfully well by Vandermeer off the bowling of
[53:09.000 --> 53:11.000]  Wayne Parnell for a duck.
[53:11.000 --> 53:13.000]  Cameron Akmel has also fallen.
[53:13.000 --> 53:16.000]  Akmel making a quick fire, 23 of just 12 balls.
[53:16.000 --> 53:19.000]  He was caught by Morkul off the bowling of Dale Steyn.
[53:19.000 --> 53:25.000]  The latest score, I can tell you, four overs bowled Pakistan are 32 for
[53:25.000 --> 53:26.000]  two.
[53:26.000 --> 53:28.000]  Going to talk football in just a moment, but it's worth mentioning
[53:28.000 --> 53:31.000]  actually while we're still on the cricket band that the former England
[53:31.000 --> 53:35.000]  paceman, Simon Jones, who of course had such a wonderful Ashes 2005, part
[53:35.000 --> 53:38.000]  of that four very strong bowler attack.
[53:38.000 --> 53:41.000]  He's been ruled out the rest of the domestic season because of this knee
[53:41.000 --> 53:42.000]  injury.
[53:42.000 --> 53:45.000]  I'm guessing it's the recurring knee injury that has frankly blighted
[53:45.000 --> 53:46.000]  such a promising career.
[53:46.000 --> 53:49.000]  Yeah, absolutely, he's been plagued with injury and that particular knee
[53:49.000 --> 53:51.000]  injury for the majority of his career.
[53:51.000 --> 53:56.000]  It's sad actually because I think age-wise, time's against him and yes,
[53:56.000 --> 54:00.000]  it's a hard life for him in the old cricket world at the moment.
[54:00.000 --> 54:01.000]  That's a shame.
[54:01.000 --> 54:05.000]  Somebody for whom life has not always been hard, Kevin Keegan, the
[54:05.000 --> 54:06.000]  comeback kid.
[54:06.000 --> 54:08.000]  Could be, yes, on the cards.
[54:08.000 --> 54:11.000]  He might be going back to one of his former clubs as a player,
[54:11.000 --> 54:12.000]  Southampton.
[54:12.000 --> 54:14.000]  He was there back in the early 80s.
[54:14.000 --> 54:17.000]  Saints have had an awful time of late, they've been relegated down to
[54:17.000 --> 54:22.000]  League One and there are reports that Kevin Keegan has linked with the
[54:22.000 --> 54:27.000]  consortium being led by Southampton legend Matt Letissier, which some
[54:27.000 --> 54:31.000]  suggest will definitely be taking the club over and suggestions would
[54:31.000 --> 54:34.000]  point the finger at Kevin Keegan as becoming the next manager.
[54:34.000 --> 54:37.000]  We'll have to wait and see, but that would be a Keegan return to football
[54:37.000 --> 54:38.000]  perhaps.
[54:38.000 --> 54:39.000]  Watch this space.
[54:39.000 --> 54:40.000]  Dan, thanks very much indeed.
[54:40.000 --> 54:42.000]  This is Sky News coming up at six.
[54:42.000 --> 54:43.000]  Take it back.
[54:43.000 --> 54:47.000]  Fred the Shred finally agrees to hand back almost £350,000 a year in his
[54:47.000 --> 54:49.000]  pension.
[54:49.000 --> 54:52.000]  Plus, rallies continue in Iran over the disputed presidential election
[54:52.000 --> 54:55.000]  and opposition candidate Mousavi joins his supporters and here the
[54:55.000 --> 55:00.000]  Gurkhas have caused for more celebrations with a special parade and
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[57:36.000 --> 57:39.000]  Imagine the ultimate music festival.
[57:39.000 --> 57:40.000]  No mud.
[57:40.000 --> 57:42.000]  No camping.
[57:42.000 --> 57:43.000]  No portaloos.
[57:43.000 --> 57:45.000]  And a dream line-up.
[57:45.000 --> 57:47.000]  The Who.
[57:47.000 --> 57:48.000]  Neil Young.
[57:48.000 --> 57:50.000]  Johnny Cash.
[57:50.000 --> 57:51.000]  Elvis.
[57:51.000 --> 57:52.000]  The Rolling Stones.
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[57:53.000 --> 57:54.000]  Bob Marley.
[57:54.000 --> 57:55.000]  And many more.
[57:55.000 --> 57:59.000]  A weekend of awe-inspiring back-to-back performances.
[57:59.000 --> 58:05.000]  SofaFest starts Friday 26th June on Sky Arts 1 and Sky Arts 1 HD.
[58:06.000 --> 58:08.000]  Coming up on Sky News at 6, all the big stories tonight,
[58:08.000 --> 58:09.000]  including Goodwin Gives In.
[58:09.000 --> 58:13.000]  The former boss of RBS changes his mind on his pension payout.
[58:13.000 --> 58:16.000]  And payback for Cameron as the Conservative leader fails
[58:16.000 --> 58:18.000]  to escape the expenses scandal.
[58:18.000 --> 58:21.000]  And Royal competition as the Princess William and Harry
[58:21.000 --> 58:23.000]  take on pilot training together.
[58:27.000 --> 58:29.000]  This afternoon over Hong Kong,
[58:29.000 --> 58:33.000]  we expect to see a downpour of vintage champagne.
[58:36.000 --> 58:37.000]  Hello there.
[58:37.000 --> 58:39.000]  We're going to see a gradual improvement in the weather over the weekend.
[58:39.000 --> 58:41.000]  And once the high pressure builds,
[58:41.000 --> 58:43.000]  it should stay with us through much of next week.
[58:43.000 --> 58:45.000]  But certainly today, we've seen showers.
[58:45.000 --> 58:47.000]  Some of those showers really have been quite sharp,
[58:47.000 --> 58:49.000]  particularly up towards the north and the west.
[58:49.000 --> 58:50.000]  Some rumbles of thunder.
[58:50.000 --> 58:52.000]  Some more prolonged periods of rain.
[58:52.000 --> 58:55.000]  And down towards the south, it's been rather disappointingly cloudy.
[58:55.000 --> 58:57.000]  Well, certainly through the rest of this evening and overnight,
[58:57.000 --> 58:59.000]  expect some further heavy showers.
[58:59.000 --> 59:03.000]  These mainly from parts of north Wales, north Midlands, northwards.
[59:03.000 --> 59:05.000]  It's that area of low pressure up towards the northwest,
[59:05.000 --> 59:08.000]  which is going to pass eastwards across parts of Scotland.
[59:08.000 --> 59:10.000]  And that's going to take the worst of the showers with it.
[59:10.000 --> 59:11.000]  But that's going to happen overnight.
[59:11.000 --> 59:14.000]  Elsewhere, we should lose some of the cloud from the south.
[59:14.000 --> 59:17.000]  And certainly Friday morning looks like being a fairly bright affair.
[59:17.000 --> 59:20.000]  Eventually, temperatures reaching around 21 degrees Celsius.
[59:20.000 --> 59:21.000]  That's 70 degrees Fahrenheit.
[59:21.000 --> 59:24.000]  But the general feel on the day, it's going to be quite breezy.
[59:24.000 --> 59:26.000]  We're going to keep those winds quite brisk.
[59:26.000 --> 59:28.000]  One or two isolated showers around.
[59:28.000 --> 59:31.000]  But the majority following on in the wake of that low pressure area
[59:31.000 --> 59:33.000]  into northern and western areas.
[59:33.000 --> 59:37.000]  And eventually, those will most likely go down towards central parts
[59:37.000 --> 59:39.000]  and eventually out towards the southeast.
[59:39.000 --> 59:41.000]  So as far as Saturday is concerned,
[59:41.000 --> 59:44.000]  temperatures lifting that little bit down in the south, a little more sunshine
[59:44.000 --> 01:00:11.000]  and much, much fewer showers.